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From: Michael Mann <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
To: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Skeptics
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:19:45 -0400
Cc: Gavin Schmidt <gschmidt@giss.nasa.gov>

Hi Phil,

well put, it is a parallel universe. irony is as you note, often the contrarian arguments
are such a scientific straw man, that an effort to address them isn't even worthy of the
peer-reviewed literature!

mike

On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Phil Jones wrote:

Mike,
Just spent 5 minutes looking at Watts up. Couldn't bear it any longer - had to
stop!. Is there really such a parallel universe out there? I could understand all of
the words some commenters wrote - but not in the context they used them.
It is a mixed blessing. I encouraged Tom Peterson to do the analysis with the
limited number of USHCN stations. Still hoping they will write it up for a full journal
article.
Problem might be though - they get a decent reviewer who will say there is nothing
new in the paper, and they'd be right!
Cheers
Phil
At 15:53 24/06/2009, Michael Mann wrote:

Phil--thanks for the update on this. I think your read on this is absolutely correct. By
the way, "Watts up" has mostly put "ClimateAudit" out of business. a mixed blessing I
suppose.
talk to you later,
mike
On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Phil Jones wrote:

Gavin,

Good to see you, if briefly, at NCAR on Friday. The day went well, as did the
dinner in the evening.
It must be my week on Climate Audit! Been looking a bit and Mc said he
has no interest in developing an alternative global T series. He'd also said earlier
it would be easy to do. I'm 100% confident he knows how robust the land component
is.
I also came across this on another thread. He obviously likes doing these
sorts of things, as opposed to real science. They are going to have a real go
at procedures when it comes to the AR5. They have lost on the science, now they
are going for the process.
Cheers
Phil
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