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From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
To: "Humphrey, Kathryn (CESA)" <kathryn.humphrey@DEFRA.GSI.GOV.UK>
Subject: Fwd: RE: Outstanding comms plan issues
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:10:59 +0100
Cc: "Roger Street" <roger.street@ukcip.org.uk>, "Clare Goodess" <C.Goodess@uea.ac.uk>,<david.sexton@metoffice.gov.uk>, "Winter, Guy (SEERAD)" <Guy.Winter@scotland.gsi.gov.uk>, "Vicky Pope" <vicky.pope@metoffice.gov.uk>, "Steven Wilson" <stwi@nerc.ac.uk>, "Sear, Chris (CESA)" <chris.sear@DEFRA.GSI.GOV.UK>, "Rob Wilby" <rob.wilby@environment-agency.gov.uk>, "Rachel Warren" <r.warren@uea.ac.uk>, "Prosser, Havard (WAG-EPC)" <Havard.Prosser@Wales.GSI.Gov.UK>, "Phil Newton" <ppn@nerc.ac.uk>,"Phil Jones" <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>, "Phil James" <philip.james@ncl.ac.uk>, "Marguerite Gascoine" <m.b.gascoine@reading.ac.uk>, "Linda Livingston" <linda.livingston@metoffice.gov.uk>, "Geoff Jenkins" <geoff.jenkins@metoffice.gov.uk>, "geoff jenkins at home" <geoff.jenkins@ic24.net>, "David Sexton" <david.sexton@metoffice.gov.uk>, "Chris Kilsby" <C.G.Kilsby@newcastle.ac.uk>, "Butt, Adrian (CESA)" <adrian.butt@DEFRA.GSI.GOV.UK>, "Bryan Lawrence" <b.n.lawrence@rl.ac.uk>, "Brian Hoskins" <b.j.hoskins@reading.ac.uk>, "Barry McAuley" <barry.mcauley@doeni.gsi.gov.uk>, "Ag Stephens" <A.Stephens@rl.ac.uk>

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Kathryn,
Made some slight mods to the WG definition. Maybe Chris should check
this and then we'll be there on this definition.

Cheers
Phil

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>I'm very happy to send this to the users' panel for recommendation to
>the SG, if those suggested below (Geoff, David S, Roger, Chris K, Phil
>Jones) are happy to work up definitions based on the latest version we
>have, attached.
>
>Kathryn
>
>PS congratulations on your Gong, Brian!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Street [mailto:roger.street@ukcip.org.uk]
>Sent: 17 June 2007 10:51
>To: Clare Goodess; Humphrey, Kathryn (CESA);
>david.sexton@metoffice.gov.uk
>Cc: Winter, Guy (SEERAD); Vicky Pope; Steven Wilson; Sear, Chris (CESA);
>Rob Wilby; Rachel Warren; Prosser, Havard (WAG-EPC); Phil Newton; Phil
>Jones; Phil James; Marguerite Gascoine; Linda Livingston; Geoff Jenkins;
>geoff jenkins at home; David Sexton; Chris Kilsby; Butt, Adrian (CESA);
>Bryan Lawrence; Brian Hoskins; Barry McAuley; Ag Stephens
>Subject: Re: Outstanding comms plan issues
>
>With respect to the changes suggested by Clare (green inserts within the
>
>text) I am comfortable with the suggested changes. I am, however,
>somewhat
>concerned with the definition for weather generator but this relates to
>a
>personal perception and my concerns as to how this would be interpreted
>by
>users. I would prefer not suggesting that the weather generator
>generates
>weather data but that it generates weather variables at the daily and
>sub-daily level consistent with the projected climate. As such, I would
>
>prefer something along the lines of the following definition:
>
>Weather generators are statistically-based computer programs that use
>existing weather records and random number sampling to produce long
>timeseries of synthetic daily and sub-daily variables. The statistical
>properties of the generated weather-like variables are expect to be
>similar
>to those of the existing weather record. The UKCIP08 weather generator
>bases its daily and sub-daily variables for future time periods on the
>statistical nature of the PDF data chosen to drive it. The variables
>generated are those required by many applications: precipitation,
>maximum
>and minimum temperature, rainfall, solar radiation and wind speed, as
>well
>as measures of atmospheric water vapour and evapotranspiration.
>
>In terms of the definitions for scenarios and projections, those
>ascribed to
>me are actually those developed through the deliberations within Chapter
>2
>of the IPCC WGII for which Tim Carter was one of the Lead Authors. My
>understanding after talking with Tim was that these definitions, which
>are
>the result of considerable discussion within the IPCC impacts,
>vulnerability
>and adaptation community, will be included with the WGII publication. I
>suggest that the definitions to be included and used within UKCIP08 do
>need
>further consideration to ensure that they are clearly identifying what
>UKCIP08 will be delivering - probabilistic projections and scenarios.
>The
>definitions within UKCIP08 should be informed not constrained by the
>IPCC
>deliberations and should be directed at informing the user community
>(client
>focused).
>
>I also agree with Clare that we should be providing a definition of what
>is
>meant by probabilistic within the context of UKCIP08.
>
>In terms of a way forward, would it be reasonable to ask the following
>to
>develop for the specified terms definitions for approval by the SG
>(after
>seeking views of the Users' Panel):
>MOHC - baseline period, climate, climate change, climate model,
>deterministic, and probability/probabilistic density function;
>Newcastle - weather generator; and
>UKCIP - scenarios and projections.
>
>These could be done over the next couple of weeks with a single request
>for
>views going out to the Users' Panel in July.
>
>Roger
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Clare Goodess" <C.Goodess@uea.ac.uk>
>To: <david.sexton@metoffice.gov.uk>; "Humphrey, Kathryn (GA)"
><kathryn.humphrey@DEFRA.GSI.GOV.UK>
>Cc: "Roger Street" <roger.street@ukcip.org.uk>; "Ag Stephens"
><A.Stephens@rl.ac.uk>; "Barry McAuley" <barry.mcauley@doeni.gsi.gov.uk>;
>
>"Brian Hoskins" <b.j.hoskins@reading.ac.uk>; "Bryan Lawrence"
><b.n.lawrence@rl.ac.uk>; "Butt, Adrian (CESA)"
><adrian.butt@DEFRA.GSI.GOV.UK>; "Chris Kilsby"
><C.G.Kilsby@newcastle.ac.uk>;
>"David Sexton" <david.sexton@metoffice.gov.uk>; "geoff jenkins at home"
><geoff.jenkins@ic24.net>; "Geoff Jenkins"
><geoff.jenkins@metoffice.gov.uk>;
>"Linda Livingston" <linda.livingston@metoffice.gov.uk>; "Marguerite
>Gascoine" <m.b.gascoine@reading.ac.uk>; "Phil James"
><philip.james@ncl.ac.uk>; "Phil Jones" <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>; "Phil
>Newton"
><ppn@nerc.ac.uk>; "Prosser, Havard (WAG-EPC)"
><Havard.Prosser@Wales.GSI.Gov.UK>; "Rachel Warren" <r.warren@uea.ac.uk>;
>
>"Rob Wilby" <rob.wilby@environment-agency.gov.uk>; "Sear, Chris (CESA)"
><chris.sear@DEFRA.GSI.GOV.UK>; "Steven Wilson" <stwi@nerc.ac.uk>; "Vicky
>
>Pope" <vicky.pope@metoffice.gov.uk>; "Winter, Guy (SEERAD)"
><Guy.Winter@scotland.gsi.gov.uk>
>Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:59 PM
>Subject: RE: Outstanding comms plan issues
>
>
> > Dear all
> >
> > I was looking at this glossary on the train yesterday and have a few
> > relatively minor comments on some of the entries - added in green to
> > Kathryn's latest draft.
> >
> > But I found the definitions of projections and scenarios very
> > confusing, with problems in both the IPCC and Roger's wording which I
> > couldn't think how to resolve - so it was interesting to see this
> > email discussion. There do seem to be some fundamental differences
> > and still confusion, so I'm afraid that some more discussion is
> > needed (sorry Kathryn!).
> >
> > We agreed at the last meeting to add deterministic - and following
> > this logic through, I think that we should also have added
>probabilistic.
> >
> > According to the key messages, UKCIP08 will be providing
> > 'probabilistic projections'. It therefore seems rather confusing to
> > read that 'projections are generally less comprehensive than
> > scenarios'. This implies to the user that the UKCIP08 probabilistic
> > projections are less comprehensive than the UKCIP02 scenarios. Which
> > is not the intended message - though it depends what you mean by
> > 'less comprehensive'.
> >
> > Over the last few months, I have been persuaded (by discussions with
> > people like Tim Carter) that we should avoid talking about
> > 'probabilistic scenarios'.
> >
> > I agree with David that it makes no sense to say that scenarios
> > include projections - when our definition of the latter includes
> > uncertainties/probabilities. Perhaps the solution is to make a clear
> > distinction between 'projections' - which can be deterministic or
> > probabilistic - and 'probabilistic projections'.
> >
> > At least we all seem agreed on not using 'prediction'!
> >
> > I hope that this has not further muddied the waters, best wishes,
>Clare
> >
> >
> >
> > At 15:23 14/06/2007, david.sexton@metoffice.gov.uk wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I am off for a week and half now and have a few things to sort out
>here
> >>so I won't be able to give you any text for PDFs. I think that might
>be
> >>best left until the report is written because it depends a lot on what
> >>the report writers think. Other comments in the text...
> >>
> >>On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 11:03 +0100, Humphrey, Kathryn (CESA) wrote:
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > You seem to have all more or less agreed on the key messages which
>is
> >> > great. However, the glossary is continuing to bring up a range of
> >> > divergent views!
> >> >
> >> > I've had more comments and have got amended definitions in the
> >> > attached. David and Chris, who couldn't make last week's meeting,
> >> > have questioned the use of the AR4 definitions (Chris- too
>technical
> >> > for the layperson, see comments in the attached) and the
> >> > projections/scenarios definition (David- not in agreement with MOHC
> >> > definitions). David, I am keen not to open up the debate again on
>the
> >> > differences between scenarios, projections and predictions (the
>latter
> >> > of which we're not using at all) as we've already had an
>astonishingly
> >> > long conversation on this one and I thought had come to agreement.
> >>
> >>For the time being I think we should remove any reference to "climate
> >>predictions" in the AR4 definition of projections because we haven't
>got
> >>a glossary term for "climate prediction". So "...climate models.
>Climate
> >>projections depend upon the emission/conce..." would be better.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > However if you can find support from the rest of the SG then I'll
> >> > open this one up again; otherwise, I'd like to stick with the
> >> > definitions we have which are consistent with the AR4 WG2 ones,
> >> > defining projections as the bit that includes uncertainty and
> >> > scenarios not.
> >>
> >>I must be missing something here but where does AR4 say "projections
>as
> >>the bit that includes uncertainty and scenarios not". Anyway, AR4 also
> >>says "climate projections serve as the raw material for scenarios" so
> >>how can scenarios not include uncertainty when projections do?
> >>
> >>I still think there is confusion and that this issue will arise again
> >>when it comes to report writing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Can I also have actual text if you want to change the definitions,
>as
> >> > otherwise I am just guessing on what you are asking for (David, I
>like
> >> > your point on providing an explicit def of probability and PDF, but
> >> > can you offer me some text, plus some for stochastic and error if
>you
> >> > want these in)?
> >>
> >>I don't think we need stochastic and error, I just wondered why we had
> >>"deterministic" there in the first place.
> >>
> >>
> >>Cheers, David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Kind Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Kathryn
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
>______________________________________________________________________
> >> > From: Roger Street [mailto:roger.street@ukcip.org.uk]
> >> > Sent: 14 June 2007 07:21
> >> > To: Humphrey, Kathryn (CESA); 'Ag Stephens'; 'Barry McAuley';
>'Brian
> >> > Hoskins'; 'Bryan Lawrence'; Butt, Adrian (CESA); 'C Goodess';
>'Chris
> >> > Kilsby'; 'David Sexton'; 'Geoff Jenkins'; 'Geoff Jenkins'; 'Linda
> >> > Livingston'; 'Marguerite Gascoine'; 'Phil James'; 'Phil Jones';
>'Phil
> >> > Newton'; Prosser, Havard (WAG-EPC); 'Rachel Warren'; 'Rob Wilby';
> >> > Sear, Chris (CESA); 'Steven Wilson'; 'Vicky Pope'; Winter, Guy
> >> > (SEERAD)
> >> > Subject: RE: Outstanding comms plan issues
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As this information is being used by the impacts, vulnerability and
> >> > adaptation community and Chapter 2 within the IPCC WGII
>specifically
> >> > discussed these concepts and definitions as part of their remit
>from
> >> > that perspective, I would prefer to use the definitions they have
> >> > developed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I will look for these other definitions later today.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Roger
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
>______________________________________________________________________
> >> >
> >> > From: Humphrey, Kathryn (CESA)
> >> > [mailto:kathryn.humphrey@DEFRA.GSI.GOV.UK]
> >> > Sent: 13 June 2007 16:32
> >> > To: Ag Stephens; Barry McAuley; Brian Hoskins; Bryan Lawrence;
>Butt,
> >> > Adrian (CESA); C Goodess; Chris Kilsby; David Sexton; Geoff
>Jenkins;
> >> > Geoff Jenkins; Humphrey, Kathryn (CESA); Linda Livingston;
>Marguerite
> >> > Gascoine; Phil James; Phil Jones; Phil Newton; Prosser, Havard
>(WAG-
> >> > EPC); Rachel Warren; Rob Wilby; Roger Street; Sear, Chris (CESA);
> >> > Steven Wilson; Vicky Pope; Winter, Guy (SEERAD)
> >> > Subject: Outstanding comms plan issues
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > Attached is an updated set of key messages and glossary for the
> >> > UKCIP08 comms plan.
> >> >
> >> > For the glossary, the AR4 definitions for projections and scenarios
> >> > differ to those Roger has from the co-author of the WGII report.
> >> > Which do you want to use? Also if anyone has a better definition
>of
> >> > deterministic pls let me have it as the AR4 doesn't give one.
>You'll
> >> > also want to check the other definitions as I've either cut them
>down
> >> > from those presented in the AR4, or added sections to make them
> >> > UKCIP08 specific. Also the only definition I can find of a weather
> >> > generator is very old!
> >> >
> >> > Comments back to me by close Friday would be v helpful.
> >> >
> >> > Kathryn
> >> >
> >> > <<2007-06-13 comms plan Key Messages and glossary.doc>>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 11:03 +0100, Humphrey, Kathryn (CESA) wrote:
> >> > > Cc: Ag Stephens <A.Stephens@rl.ac.uk>, Barry McAuley
> >> > > <barry.mcauley@doeni.gsi.gov.uk>, Brian Hoskins
> >> > > <b.j.hoskins@reading.ac.uk>, Bryan Lawrence
> >> > > <b.n.lawrence@rl.ac.uk>, "Butt, Adrian (CESA)"
> >> > > <adrian.butt@DEFRA.GSI.GOV.UK>, Clare Goodess
><C.Goodess@uea.ac.uk>,
> >> > > Chris Kilsby <C.G.Kilsby@newcastle.ac.uk>, David Sexton
> >> > > <david.sexton@metoffice.gov.uk>, geoff jenkins at home
> >> > > <geoff.jenkins@ic24.net>, Geoff Jenkins
> >> > > <geoff.jenkins@metoffice.gov.uk>, Linda Livingston
> >> > > <linda.livingston@metoffice.gov.uk>, Marguerite Gascoine
> >> > > <m.b.gascoine@reading.ac.uk>, Phil James
><philip.james@ncl.ac.uk>,
> >> > > Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>, Phil Newton <ppn@nerc.ac.uk>,
> >> > > "Prosser, Havard (WAG-EPC)" <Havard.Prosser@Wales.GSI.Gov.UK>,
> >> > > Rachel Warren <r.warren@uea.ac.uk>, Rob Wilby
> >> > > <rob.wilby@environment-agency.gov.uk>, Roger Street
> >> > > <roger.street@ukcip.org.uk>, "Sear, Chris (CESA)"
> >> > > <chris.sear@DEFRA.GSI.GOV.UK>, Steven Wilson <stwi@nerc.ac.uk>,
> >> > > Vicky Pope <vicky.pope@metoffice.gov.uk>, "Winter, Guy (SEERAD)"
> >> > > <Guy.Winter@scotland.gsi.gov.uk>, "Murphy, James"
> >> > > <james.murphy@metoffice.gov.uk>
> >> > > In-Reply-To:
> >> > >
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> >> > > References:
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> >> > >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > here are some quick comments. I probably made some similar ones a
> >> > > while
> >> > > back.
> >> > >
> >> > > General comment on glossary:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > A general comment is that I can see the point of having a
>glossary
> >> > > early
> >> > > on so that terms are consistent across different communications.
>But
> >> > > I
> >> > > really feel that a lot of these are scientific and that they need
>to
> >> > > be
> >> > > correct for the report and consistent with the ideas of the
>report
> >> > > writers (Geoff and James and to a lesser extent me, Phil and
>Chris
> >> > > and
> >> > > Stephen Dye). These ideas will develop as the report is written
>so I
> >> > > don't think it helps the report writers to set in stone these
>terms.
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, I think the glossary has several inconsistencies in it
>which
> >> > > will
> >> > > cause confusion. So here are my comments:
> >> > >
> >> > > Finally, we have to be really careful with the terms "prediction"
> >> > > and
> >> > > "uncertainty" because both have connotations to the lay person
>which
> >> > > are
> >> > > different to the scientist - scientific predictions should always
> >> > > have
> >> > > an estimate of uncertainty associated with them, where a
>prediction
> >> > > to a
> >> > > lay person might mean a one-off value. "Error" is another good
> >> > > example.
> >> > > I would try to avoid these terms in the glossary and the report.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Specific comments:
> >> > >
> >> > > PROJECTIONS, SCENARIOS and "predictions":
> >> > > At MOHC we see a climate projection as some plausible climate
>that
> >> > > is an
> >> > > outcome of some inputs e.g. emission scenario. It has no
>likelihood
> >> > > assigned to it. Here, we see "climate predictions" as a set of
> >> > > projections which have been calibrated by the observations and
> >> > > therefore
> >> > > have an assigned likelihood. It seems this is more like the AR4
> >> > > definition of SCENARIO as AR4 use observed data (see AR4 defn)
>and
> >> > > therefore scenarios DO ascribe likelihoods. This seems to
>contradict
> >> > > Roger's last line on "projections" which says scenarios do not
> >> > > ascribe
> >> > > likelihoods. Also, the product has always been referred to as the
> >> > > "UKCIP08 scenarios" and they definitely assign likelihoods. I
>also
> >> > > disagree with Roger's last sentence on "PROJECTIONS" - I'd say
> >> > > projections are not probabilistic.
> >> > >
> >> > > So a temporary suggestion would be to use the AR4 definition of
> >> > > "PROJECTION" but delete the confusing bit relating it to
> >> > > "predictions"
> >> > > which haven't been defined in the glossary i.e. delete
> >> > > "distinguished...projections".
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > PDF: I would use "Probability Distribution Function" cos it has
>an
> >> > > element of subjective uncertainty in it. Probability Density
> >> > > functions
> >> > > are to me more analytical e.g. Gaussian, exponential. Also, the
> >> > > definition does describe what a PDF is, but it doesn't convey how
> >> > > the
> >> > > PDF should be viewed because it doesn't convey what "probability"
>is
> >> > > measuring. For UKCIP08, probability is measuring the degree to
>which
> >> > > future climates are consistent with the information used to
> >> > > construct
> >> > > the scenarios (climate model data, and observations) and the
> >> > > assumptions
> >> > > and methods used in constructing them i.e. they are a convenient
> >> > > summary
> >> > > statement of all that data given some assumptions, which are more
> >> > > usable
> >> > > than the data itself in helping planners make decisions. This is
> >> > > different to the definition learnt at school where probability of
> >> > > say
> >> > > rolling a dice can be measured by a repeated experiment. Climate
>is
> >> > > a
> >> > > one-off so there is no repeated experiment and so the schoolboy
> >> > > definition doesn't apply and this needs to be explained. A
> >> > > consequence
> >> > > of this is the PDF will change in UKCIPnext because better
>models,
> >> > > methods and more observations will change it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Deterministic: means the output (i.e. from a single run of a
>typical
> >> > > climate model) is based solely on the inputs (here the model, its
> >> > > input
> >> > > parameter values, and the initial conditions). What word are you
> >> > > contrasting this against. It should be contrasted against
>"random"
> >> > > or
> >> > > "stochastic" where there is a random element involved that can
> >> > > change
> >> > > the sytem. Hopefully, this is not be contrasted against
> >> > > "probabilistic".
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers, David
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 16:32 +0100, Humphrey, Kathryn (CESA)
>wrote:
> >> > > > All,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Attached is an updated set of key messages and glossary for the
> >> > > > UKCIP08 comms plan.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > For the glossary, the AR4 definitions for projections and
> >> > > scenarios
> >> > > > differ to those Roger has from the co-author of the WGII
>report.
> >> > > > Which do you want to use? Also if anyone has a better
>definition
> >> > > of
> >> > > > deterministic pls let me have it as the AR4 doesn't give one.
> >> > > You'll
> >> > > > also want to check the other definitions as I've either cut
>them
> >> > > down
> >> > > > from those presented in the AR4, or added sections to make them
> >> > > > UKCIP08 specific. Also the only definition I can find of a
> >> > > weather
> >> > > > generator is very old!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Comments back to me by close Friday would be v helpful.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Kathryn
> >> > > >
> >> > > > <<2007-06-13 comms plan Key Messages and glossary.doc>>
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> >> > On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 11:03 +0100, Humphrey, Kathryn (CESA) wrote:
> >> > > <<2007-06-13 comms plan Key Messages and glossary.doc>> Some
>initial
> >> > > suggestions and comments
> >> > > I think UKCIP needs its own defs. AR4 too complex and
>'scientific'
> >> > > for lay users.
> >> > > Chris
> >> > >
> >>--
> >>______________________________________________________
> >>David Sexton PhD Climate Research Scientist
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> > Dr Clare Goodess
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> >
> >
> >
>
>

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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