To: Phil Jones <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: not so fast - an update
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:40:37 -0500
sounds good Phil, I agree on the forecast. I think its at least
by the way, please remind me what input you need from me at this point
on the Wengen paper. I've attached a review paper I've got in press in
"AREPS". Not sure if I sent this to you before. Its mostly a re-tread of
our '04 Rev Geophys review (which is getting lots of citations if you've
noticed!), but a little bit of newer stuff.
talk to you later,
Phil Jones wrote:
> I'm just beginning to notice this. I talked to AP about 5 hours ago.
> Our google search has noticed 150 in the last 3 hours.
> I checked one - can't recall whether it was Minneapolis of San Diego,
> but it read OK.
> It's a trivial forecast. GW plus ENSO.
> I was hoping to put some of this background to the IPCC figure
> into the Wengen paper, but the more places the merrier.
> By the way - when I'll send out a reminder.
> At 16:19 04/01/2007, Michael E. Mann wrote:
>> by the way, 2007 to be warmest year headline getting a huge amount of
>> play in the U.S. media today,
>> Phil Jones wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> The net is closing...
>>> National Research Council, US Committee for the Global Atmospheric
>>> Research Program, Understanding Climatic Change: A Program for Action,
>>> National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC, (1975), appendix A.
>>> This book (Fig A2b) has the same figure as Imbrie/Imbrie. It is
>>> It also has the same concept of the IPCC 1990 Figure, changes on
>>> various timescales - all rotated. Loads of Lamb diagrams I have
>>> seen countless times before.
>>> This book also talks about the impending cooling.....
>>> John Mitchell also thought the figure is in a book by Gribbin
>>> called '1982 CO2 Review". Anyone recall that one. This isn't
>>> in the CRU Library nor UEA's.
>>> The direct source of the IPCC diagram is the UK Dept of Environment
>>> document from 1989 which is being posted to me. It though has
>>> a source, which isn't in the document. John and Geoff Jenkins
>>> wrote it though. It is possible that just the last millennium panel
>>> was from this source and the others from this 1975 source.
>>> Dear All (Tom is off to Texas),
>>> David Warrilow has found the said report. A photocopy is being
>>> to me, and two others have been asked if they know more about how
>>> it was arrived at.
>>> I'll report more when I get news.
>>> Here's a reply from David Warrilow (below). I still think it is
>>> in a UK Dept of the Environment report from 1988/89, as does
>>> Chris Folland, so have asked him to think a little more.
>>> I've looked at the 1979 edition, and Figure 45 is the one.
>>> It has a curve, but with the 20th century warmer than the
>>> MWP!! It is said to be based on Lamb (1969). This is a
>>> chapter in the World Survey of Climatology Series
>>> edited by Landsberg. I can't see how you can adapt anything
>>> from this. Hubert's chapter has lots of detail, many figures
>>> which have lines with the phrase 'analyst's opinion' - one
>>> of his favourite terms for things he made up. If it is an
>>> adaptation, then it comes from Hubert's ideas about
>>> England and NW Europe, because these are the curves
>>> in the 1969 chapter.
>>> Anyone have the 1986 edition, to see if this curve got changed?
>>> The 1986 date is about right for being in the document I recall
>>> seeing. Some of you who've seen my room, will be saying if I had
>>> a better filing system, then I would be able to find it. Despite
>>> most things I can't find this !
>>> By the way, it is GREAT PITY, the First IPCC report didn't use
>>> Fig 45. We'd all be very happy and the skeptics wouldn't be going
>>> on about what came out in 1990.
>>> Attached is the Met Office forecast for 2007. It seems that I'm
>>> the credit for this in the media. All I did was talk to the
>>> Independent about
>>> what I thought 2007 had in store weatherwise. With an El Nino going
>>> I thought it might be a record and just trotted off the typical
>>> things that happen
>>> in El Nino years.
>>> I can't be sure but I think the original diagram is from Imbrie and
>>> Imbrie :
>>> Imbrie, John and Katherine Palmer Imbrie. Ice ages: Solving the
>>> Mystery. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press, 1979,
>>> 1986 (reprint). ISBN 0-89490-020-X; ISBN 0-89490-015-3; ISBN
>>> 0-674-44075-7. p. 25
>>> You may have it in your library. I am afraid I don't have it to hand,
>>> Prof. Phil Jones
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> Prof. Phil Jones
> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich Email firstname.lastname@example.org
> NR4 7TJ
Michael E. Mann
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)
Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University email: email@example.com
University Park, PA 16802-5013
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